Take it off! See. Love. Grow.
An unfulfilled life has less to do with what it is - and more with how you see it. Your fulfillment is often on the other side of a tough decision or conversation. It is in the resolving of conflict and the releasing of self-judgment that we grow the most. So, if you feel stuck in your career, relationships, or how you think about yourself, it’s time to “TAKE IT OFF” and show up as your authentic self. Joshua A. Fields and Jeremy Rubin co-host the “Take it Off” Podcast. As a master practitioner of the Energy Leadership Index with 15 years of executive leadership experience at a Fortune 10 company, Certified Executive Coach Joshua Fields has a proven track record of creating high-performing teams and environments for personal transformation. Renowned author, speaker, and founder of FACE Consulting, Jeremy Rubin, immediately impacts groups large and small using humor, personal stories, and practical, result-driven applications. These two have brought unique life experiences, skill sets, and energy to create an experience like no other. The mission is simple but not easy. It is to empower people with the skills to see and accept themselves and others clearly and without judgment to live a more authentic life. So, if you’re ready to live with purpose and curiosity and to get clear on what you want for your life, join us weekly at the “Take it Off” Podcast. Some concepts are based on and inspired by the coach training program Institute for Professional Excellence in Coaching (iPEC).
Take it off! See. Love. Grow.
“I’m un-pausable”: Diddy & Cassie, Power Dynamics and the Burden of Stardom
Join Joshua Fields and Jeremy Rubin, for a transformative journey into self-perception, societal judgments, and the allure of fame. Inspired by Sean "P Diddy" Combs' words, "I’m un-pausable," we'll discuss overcoming self-doubt and unlocking potential. We'll examine the dark aspects of stardom and society's role in creating 'superstars,' referencing Diddy's appearance on The Breakfast Club, and his latest allegations from Casandra Ventura. Our conversation will address the impact of rumors and judgments on influential black men, emphasizing fairness and due process. We'll also explore the concept of pretty privilege and the risks of idolizing celebrities. Join us to gain insights into societal dynamics and the complexities of the human psyche.
Welcome to the take it off podcast, where we see love grow. I am your cohost, jeremy Rubin, and I'm here with the man, the myth, the legend, the coach with the most Joshua fields. Joshua say hello to the people.
Speaker 2:I don't like no whips and changing. You can't tie me down, but you can put your loving on me, baby. With your loving on me, baby. I don't like no whips and changing. You can't tie me down, but you can whip your loving on me, baby, with your loving on me.
Speaker 1:I think we just see it go in have you heard this?
Speaker 2:Jack Harlow though.
Speaker 1:Okay, whether I have or not one, it don't sound like what you're doing in the mic, for sure.
Speaker 2:I know that Definitely, it definitely does.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's a whole lot, it's a whole lot.
Speaker 2:There's a whole lot, but this one, though, make me sway. That one, just that's, ran free in my head all day long. I don't know why that's just so catchy. And then the. You know, you've seen the water challenge, have you seen this, bro? But they dance to the. Make me sway, make me harder, make me lose my breath, make me water. Can you introduce yourself? Who are you? Hey, my name is Joshua Fields, executive coach. I work with teams and individuals one-on-one and as a collective unit, for them to see themselves clearly, without our judgments, without our assumptions, without interpret interpretations and limiting beliefs. So we have a very, very clear picture of who we're dealing with and what we're dealing with, so we can move forward together. They have more meaningful experiences. What do you think about that, jeremy Rubin?
Speaker 1:I think that's great. I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It almost should become a podcast, absolutely. I mean, like what we're doing now, like take it off, see love grow. Come on man, how are you being man?
Speaker 1:Man, I'm doing good, I'm really good, I'm in a great flow.
Speaker 2:Hey, you are in a flow. Hey you look. I know you guys can't see him, but my guy looks, is looking crystal clear. You got like a whole new vibe going on.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to get out in front of this. So, guys, I've had the same computer for 10 years and it finally basically went kaput and you know, josh, before he even gets to it, because it's going to be a lot of podcast episodes have been late coming out because probably because some of us are traveling and having a great time.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Why are they late?
Speaker 2:It had undue.
Speaker 1:It had undue computer. Okay, so let's get back to what's actually going on. So Joshua is a little he's a little hurt that he recommended an Apple product right Now. Here's what I'm going to do. I've got an iPhone, but I do not have an Apple computer. When I got on Josh's computer, it like I just wasn't it. Just again, dude, everything's different, you know, and for the price, you're going to get a lot of a bigger bang for your buck If you go to PC. There's some things that PC is just doing. If you could see this dude's face right now. So he tells me oh, get the MacBook Pro, get the MacBook Pro. But he's not telling me why.
Speaker 1:So and this is not a plug but I go to see our friends at Best Buy and I run into a really cool guy. His name is Sam. Sam knew what he was talking about. Bro, that's what my pet peeve Don't let me go somewhere. And you got a badge on, a name tag on, and you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to your product. Like, don't be that guy. Sam knew everything, sam sold me everything. And so I'm like hey, we got a podcast. He's like well, do you do anything? Oh, yeah, I do, I do storytelling video. No, no, no, he's like actually for the creative. Let me talk to you about the MacBook Pro and break it down. So he broke it down for me. So I understood. Tonight I'm the proud owner of a brand new, you know, macbook Pro 16 inch. We're out here, Okay, and so I'm clear today Didn't have to wait 20 minutes to get on this computer, didn't have to warm up or nothing. This is awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, hey, congratulations For what For getting for for making an intelligent, informed decision. No, no, the real con.
Speaker 1:This is real. Here's the real congratulations. What's that? Here's the real congratulations, guys, your boy takes care of his people. Okay, my son got a $4,000 the desktop computer you could do anything on. My daughter has got a MacBook Air I don't even know if I'm saying it right. She's got you know. She's got an iPad. She's got $600 headphone. Everybody's hooked up. You know, everybody has it. And I got a 10 year old computer and I went out and did something for myself. So that's where the real victory is at. There you go, you know, that's the victory. That's to take it off victory. All right, there you go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Man, what did you? What? What episode did you? Uh, creative director, since you now have a, a laptop for the creative, what did you, uh, what did? You keep together for today to talk about my brother.
Speaker 1:So today's episode okay, Episode 43, which is, like I said, this is just. This is mind blowing. That we're just out here, um, is entitled I'm impossible. Okay, Famous words from Sean PDT combs when he was on the breakfast club. So we're going to talk about that. Um, we are going to look at some actually really disturbing accusations that are happening around this man. You don't know who Sean PDT combs is producer, rap mogul Uh, you know, he's got his own line of, uh of of liquors. He's got, you know, a fashion mogul. I mean, he's out here, he's, he's, he's worth a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:Last night I didn't even get an answer.
Speaker 1:You know what? And he's in a whole lawsuit right now, um, and actually no, he's not in the whole lot he was yeah. And the fact that we talked about this a few days ago and the law and the law is over it's done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're moving on.
Speaker 1:That's bananas. The fact that he's like, yeah, we're not staying here.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:We're here, be quiet, take that, take that, yeah, moving on. So, anyway, he is he's. He has been accused I want to say accused of rape and sex trafficking by R and B artists Cassandra Cassie Ventura. He actually met her when she was 19. He was 37.
Speaker 1:Um, um, you know, uh, he alleged they alleged that the rap producer raped and beat her over 10 years, that she was the victim of mental, emotional abuse. The actual document that the of what's going on is 35 pages long, with, you know, um ex employees that are talking about what they had seen, um accounts where, you know, he, he blew up somebody's car. Uh, kid cut his car because he was dating Cassie's. They have you could date my grandma. Blow up your car. The car got blown up. That's in the thing. I mean, it's just, it's just insane. Um, the level that he's being accused of, um, the level of detail that's being used to describe these accusations, yeah, it's not just and it's not one thing this is 10 years hospital trips, being sent on vacations to cover up, you know, black eyes and bruises?
Speaker 1:Um, we're talking about being kicked, being forced to um sleep with prostitutes and being taped. Um, and she talks about how it impacted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, and he's watching, getting his pleasure as right. Yeah, absolutely Right.
Speaker 1:That it's intense that he continued. He kept her addicted on drugs and alcohol. I mean it just all over the map. And then you have other people on the peripheral because you know, again, it's like any other circle when you're hanging with people. You hang with people that are kind of given their two cents but they're almost like they know something but they don't know something Right, they know something but they're not talking.
Speaker 1:And so when you look at um I mean there's even allegations that he has hospitals in New York on the payroll, police departments in New York on the payroll that um, he literally is quote, unquote, untouchable. And then you get to a space where you know this could go to trial. It comes out in the first reportings. It was, you know, she was trying to shake him down for 30 million, but then as to for her silence. But then, as it progressed, you you realize that no, she already was in an NDA that expired and that his camp was the one that said, hey, I'll give you 30 million to sign an indefinite NDA so we can just put this all to bed, allegedly.
Speaker 2:Right. And then there was a threat that there was a book that was going to be written to tell all, a tell all book, a tell all book, yeah.
Speaker 1:And now sources say, now that this is all resolved, at least for Cassie, they think that other people may come out. But now sources say that, um, the settlement that actually put this thing to bed was close to nine figures, like a hundred million dollars, yeah.
Speaker 2:But all that detail has been. That's all. Uh, uh, none of that has been made public, that's all.
Speaker 1:And it probably won't be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so this is people leaking.
Speaker 1:This is pillow talking. This is all that. But what we do know is it's like I don't remember like a trial. I don't remember, excuse me, not a trial. I don't remember an accusation and then a resolution this quick in my entire life, especially of this At this level?
Speaker 2:Yeah, at this level, for sure.
Speaker 1:Do you know how fast I mean moving parts is in this, because it wasn't just um P Diddy that was uh, uh mentioned in this. This is all. The parent companies that he was connected to are all connected to the suit as well, because allegedly a lot of employees and leaders in these areas were watching this happen and doing nothing about it. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Now just to also just to put that out there. He did deny it. Yes, he did deny it, and the terms that they agreed to the report say it was amicable, yep, it was a friendly. You got yep, that's yep. Here you go, we good, shake hands, enjoy your life. I'll go enjoy mine, best of luck. Best of luck to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, best of luck to you was what he actually said. Yeah. And to take it even further, his attorney made sure to clear up a couple of things. He said hey, when you are settling, that is not an admission of guilt, that just means we may not want to smoke. Yeah, you know, yeah. So, with all of that said, what have you taken away from this? Or what like high level, like what comes up for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I was, I was, so I was having, I was having a conversation with Amber about this yesterday and and I have I said that just how rapid this went down. Now, in general, my wife was in, you know, there's a folks and her circles that's like, yeah, this is, this is not, this wasn't a surprise, right. And you know, you got some other stuff coming out that's connected Did, if he had to talk, murdered and there's just been some smoke around. Did he's name for a minute and where there's smoke, there's fire. So again, we don't know nothing, we don't, we're just here, we are just we're consuming it like everybody else.
Speaker 2:But I did want to take this particular hot topic just because of just who did he has been for many of us that are music fans and have just fell in love with what he's done for hip hop, culture, fashion, self made black man, you know, left a big record company to say, nah, I'm not doing it that way, I'm not going to do it my way. Mussolini found some talent in the notorious BIG and man shit. The rest is history. Now, again, I know there's some sorted details in the midst of all of that, just like it is for many of us on our ascent to success. And again, I don't. Everybody has their story but did he has been for the most part of public positive figure. I mean it calls us and he's love. Now he goes by love, I mean you can't make this.
Speaker 2:You can't make this up, and so I I mean, the allegations are just egregious, and do I think it happened? Do I think it didn't happen? I mean I don't know. However, I mean, we wrapped this up pretty quick.
Speaker 1:He wrapped it up really quick. Here's what really got me. I saw Diddy on the breakfast club, right, and this is now on the network. That's it's his show, right, it's like it's a, and I have never seen them be more, I'll say careful, not asking any question, like if he was anyone else with all of the stuff that's going on, they would have asked. Especially Charlemagne would have asked way more poignant questions and it was all softball. And then they played around with him like you know, hitting on men and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:But it was more playful than anything else, right? And he said I'm unposable Like you can't like I'm him Now. To me that was a real show of power that even the media, whose job is to get to the point said nah, not this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and so so this is what I, this is what I was, this is what the conversation that unfolded between us was around To do society create these people and just, just, just, just for the sake of our scenario, let's say something went down. Let's say she was abused. Now, again there was no police reports. There was none of that. Obviously, when someone is fearing for their life, and again there's no judgment here, cassie also made decisions to stay. There was something she was getting out of it or there was something she was overlooking.
Speaker 2:Whatever was going on, that she decided to be a part of what was going on, because I doubt every day was what she experienced in terms of what she put in her report. That does not mean that that's okay and it justifies anything. I'm just saying when we go back to our episodes around toxic environments, there is a part that you play for fear of losing something. So you decide to ignore, rationalize, justify things, to find your way to bend and contour and be a part of things. That might not necessarily really be your ideal state or what you want to go through, but we find ways to find our reasons to get something out of it, and so obviously she's connected to a power player in the music industry.
Speaker 2:She's 19,. She's young, Damn. She's beautiful. I can't?
Speaker 1:I mean she's bad? Well, she just just just to add to what you said she actually said that.
Speaker 1:She said part of what brought her back over the decade was the fear, Because he was connected to so many people in so many opportunities that she wouldn't be able to exercise her career without being there. Right Like. I have to go back otherwise, and I've seen this with like. When they talk about like DJs and what radio they play like. Excuse me, what radio, what songs that they play, Right Like. There was a time where it was Paola, and I think that Paola still exists, just in different ways. I think the equity now is your brand, it's access. It's not. It may not be a straight transaction of money, but it is a transaction of opportunities and transaction of clout. And so she spoke about that. She said, hey, she was like. Anytime I got away from a while, it seemed like every door that I was trying to move through was closing.
Speaker 2:It was closed.
Speaker 1:Essentially yeah, and so the only way was through was to go back. Yeah, now you. Some people would say, well, is your life worth it, because we're not talking about your passion or your dream. And then some people might say, well, there is no life without your passion or your dream, so maybe it is worth it. And again, I don't think it's our job to decide either. Or, but to your point, like there was, I need to move back in this direction in order to move forward in what I want to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so we were taught. We're having this discussion around does society again?
Speaker 2:this is not excuse anything diddy is doing or has done or being accused of doing, or whatever allegedly allegedly, but if we take up like similarity, like scenarios with other, with other entertainers, people that come into great wealth and power, and then how that's exercised, I mean, I think the lowest hanging example of this for us is an. Is our Kelly situation right? The egregious, horrific things that he did to these other women, young black women, specifically the abuse of having people around them, grown adults around him, turning a blind eye? Right Now the lights are on. Oh, now here they come out of nowhere. Time to expose? Oh yeah, I remember, oh yeah, but what about when you saw what you saw, when you saw it in a moment and you decided to not make that a moment, not make that something that you were crying out for? And and do we create these people as a society?
Speaker 2:Now, again, we all have an individual responsibility, right? See something, say something. This one don't drive with me. Whatever, whatever, wherever. Your values and your boundaries are right, but when you add money, you add resources, you add connections, opportunities.
Speaker 2:Like any human experience, it gets really difficult to stand up for what you may believe in in exchange for your silence, because it's less there's, less you're, you're less likely to experience that pain that you're trying to avoid by staying silent or complying with what you see, that that goes against your value system. That goes against your value system. So did we, do we create these, do we create these superstars? And then, when we see them rise, and then these narcissistic, narcissistic behaviors, or these toxic behaviors, or these behaviors, that this abuse of power comes into play, yet everybody's participating in it, allowing it because they're afraid to speak up. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:And the last thing I'll say about that is I use Tyson as an example. I said we all have a privilege that we, that we, that we benefit from. You know, diddy, again, I'm sure we can even go on this super small level, the pretty privilege. There's a line of girls waiting to get in the club and then you see, then you see the baddies, or the soap, or the, the, the ones that you know beauties in the eye of the beholder. But then you know, you know there's a collective. You know, you know, like damn, she's bad, and they're just walking in. What's the difference, joshua?
Speaker 1:Well, I think he comes down to what you know it can be the beholder of the same people as getting well this.
Speaker 2:It could come down to how many beholders are there that agree that, oh yeah, she can go in, she can go in, and the pretty girls aren't saying well, wait a minute, I will not go in that club. You see our, you see our fellow women out here waiting.
Speaker 1:We wait with them. We want to let us all in or nobody. Hacks. No, I'm trying to get into VIP. Oh, that's a whole other. That's a whole. Yeah, we got to that point we got to, david.
Speaker 2:I'm just talking about getting in Right, right, right, right. But my point is saying all this is is when that privilege benefits us. We ain't got shit to say. Yeah, we keep our mouth quiet.
Speaker 1:That's very sad.
Speaker 2:Anything, that's very fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So all I'm saying is these small examples. And back to my son, tyson. I'm watching Tyson develop his basketball skills and he's killing it. He's doing a great job. I'm proud of him. What is that? What do you think? I said play that out. He's only seven, okay. What about when he's 17? You don't think they're going to be catering to him? Yeah, there's a certain level of young ladies or whatever that's going to make room for him because you can play basketball. Well, now he's 27. Right now you maybe got your college degree or you made it to the NBA or your overseas or whatever. I've watched dudes like this get put on a pedestal by us. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Society.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what are the consequences of that? What are the consequences of that? Right that apart, privileged get things just because, oh, I know so and so ain't paying for nothing.
Speaker 2:Ain't paying for nothing and then one day that's threatened to be taken away from you. Well, how do you think an individual responds? I've watched athletes go through this, even in my personal life. These guys, I know where they're no longer on the stage and now they have to adjust to being like a version or a different person. That's not reaping the benefits of what gave them their privilege, not saying they didn't work hard and they didn't earn it, and all that. All I'm saying is our society promotes this type of idolization of when you're really good at something, we put you on a pedestal and then, when it's time to kick you down, we can't wait to like see it all come crashing down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we kind of get off on that, and so all I'm saying is how this matches with this diddy situation is is that we have, we produce our celebrities and our superstars. We don't say anything when there's power and privilege and money and resources and all these things that we think we can reap just by being around and we excuse things. We don't say anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think, and does that make sense Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And I think now, as we move away because we'll move back to, yeah, cassie and diddy, I mean even in, even in my career in sales, like if you are the guy like putting money in the till will excuse a lot of things, facts like they're just certain rules.
Speaker 2:Big facts.
Speaker 1:There's rules for the store, but then there's rule for you, because you produce 40% of the story.
Speaker 2:We don't want. We don't want to have this, we don't want, they don't want to have us have this conversation, because we want to just keep it real. Right, we're gonna keep it real, like you're keeping it real, like this is a, this, this happens.
Speaker 1:This is real. I've seen people come into interviews that ain't got no business getting jobs, but because they look apart, yeah Right, because they are attractive, they get a grace. Oh, it's okay, you didn't have it prepared, no problem, I mean, we, we'll figure it out. Bring it back later, let somebody else do it. Oh my God, how unprofessional, right? Totally different vibe Because again now attraction is in the mix, a certain privilege is in the mix. You have something that I'm connected to and then, on the other end, you learn how to play that Like. You learn how to flex what is a gifting of yours, and why wouldn't you? Everything else in the animal kingdom does? I ain't seen a lion that doesn't use his claws. I don't know about you. I ain't seen a cheetah that walks. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so you're gonna.
Speaker 2:That's a great analogy, bro. It's true, it's true, that's a great analogy.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? Like I haven't, I haven't seen it. I've seen a Venus fly trap that just says you know, I'm just keep these leaves shut, let these flies pass by. The sweet nectar is just gonna be with me. No, whatever we have to use to survive, to thrive, it is a part of our makeup and we're going to use it. Now again, we're not excusing it, not at all. I don't get that twist.
Speaker 2:But what we are saying is that this starts somewhere? That's what, that's my point.
Speaker 1:You know I'm talking. I'm not gonna say which son it is, but I'm talking to one. I got twin boys. Y'all know I'm talking to one and he's really feeling this girl. And here's my thing. And I'm looking at him and I'm looking at these homecoming pictures and I'm looking at my gorgeous boy who plays football, who gets great grades, and I'm like you don't even get it Like what you.
Speaker 1:You worried about your heart getting broke. I'm worried about her heart getting broke, because as you ascend and as you start to do more and have more receipts and get more accolades guess what? You're going to start getting more privilege, yep, and when more privileges, access, and when more access is more opportunity, absolutely. And then eventually I'm just a God. I'm a God. The rules that apply to y'all don't apply to me, but you put me here, as you said eloquently earlier, absolutely, you know so. Then what do we do? But? But one of the things in this is a side point, I think, high level that I don't like about a lot of this is that I feel like we're trying people before they get to trial, like you're having. You're having consequences. Look at Jonathan majors. We were talking about this earlier. There's an allegation and now and again, I don't. I haven't even followed it. I don't know. I don't know if you followed it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's not last time I heard he was dating Megan Good, I mean that's all I saw that all came out of this, I said go ahead, all my brother may have been dating her at the same time.
Speaker 1:We don't. We don't. It ain't our this ain't our job in our business. It ain't our business. Yeah, but all I know is that, my man, there was an allegation and all of a sudden, oh, we don't know if we're going to marvel, we don't know. You know this movie, we don't know that movie, we don't know. Yeah, oh, look, people are, people are talking, people are tweeting. Yep, he's up there, he's doing this messing with those women. Guess what? This is what happens, yep, and you don't even know what's up. But there's all of this energy that has literally impacted this man and impacted his brand. And we don't even have we don't have his side of the story. We weren't there, but we've just decided what it is, and we do that in so many different areas.
Speaker 2:We just tell a story and we run with it and because it already fits our into what I am going to call it intuition. It fits a narrative that we have been socialized to expect from powerful people, powerful, wealthy black men. Since we're on the Diddy and Jonathan Majors piece, Kanye throw him in there, R Kelly throw him in there.
Speaker 1:Wheel was in there in the mix for a minute.
Speaker 2:Now they've all, they're all, they've all been out here, you know, in the mix for different things, but we have been socialized to expect, especially our entertainers and our athletes, oh yeah, it's just, it's not if they're doing it, multiple this, multiple that Narcissistic, narcissistic personalities have you know. You know that BDE, whatever it is, we've been socialized to expect that behavior. So then, when the allegation just is whispered up, yep, new, it told you Yep, yep, another one, yeah it's like, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:That's, this is a part of what. So we don't even have the time to be objective, because we're ready to already put them in a category, in the box, because this is what we want. To get to the details and know this and why this, don't care, do not care, we just had our fix. We just got something that we assumed a firm through an allegation with no, with no real facts, no real details, no trial, no due process. None of that, because we got the soundbite. Soundbite confirms are already what we think they're already doing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just got exposed. This is a matter of time.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's a matter of time, yep. And I'm not excused and get this stuff could be true. I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying, when you're already primed, right, when you're already primed, oh you get it. Oh, you remember. Have you heard of Emmett Till?
Speaker 2:Yeah because the environment was primed that black men could control themselves sexually, so popping out a white girl because this is what they do, because they can't control themselves. Oh, it was, it was par, for course. Oh, yeah, yeah, that, yeah, those black boys tried to get at me, try to do whatever, eat him because they assumed that the story that they wanted, just the whisper of the story up, confirms it. Well, he needs to die. Yep, yeah, we're about to get ahead of this. What is issue first, asked questions later.
Speaker 1:That whole mentality that the, the, the, the individual smart, the mob is stupid. Yeah, like, and I feel like we've gone back to that where there's everybody has a platform, every have a body, has a voice with social media, which is awesome, but there's another side of that sword. There's a blinds, there's a dark side. Right, it is the shadow side of it. We've been able to stone people now with our word. I mean, and this is real. Like there are people that are, when we talk about online bullying and all that in the past, like there are people dying, there are people whose lives are ruined because someone decided that this is who they are. Yep, and this is what it is and what's crazy about it. It's like, but if you look at anybody's life, you're going to see some inconsistencies. You're going to see some. You're going to see some weird stuff. Like we said last episode, there's nothing that you can do to prove to me that you aren't human, and I feel like we're going back to that. You know, salem.
Speaker 2:In some ways we've never left it.
Speaker 2:No, we haven't, you know, it's just, it's just come up now we just have new tools that are that much more impactful because of the amount of people that we can encourage to participate in the stoning. Yeah, it hasn't gone anywhere. Like if, if social media was out during the witch hunts, man, there'd be far more witches that they would have just made up and found and said oh yeah, you fit the narrative. Yeah, you need to die or you need to, you need to pay for your sins or whatever it may be. We've just gotten more savvy and more. It's gotten more, more impactful in terms of the, the level of attention Again, a whisper, bro that, like the story, drops on these big social media accounts. I go to the comments because I get a kick out of reading comments. People have already several comments. Oh yeah, he did it, did he did it? Yeah, I heard some unconfirmed story from a source. I heard this. So now something has come out to again.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying Cassie did not go through some horrible, horrible happenings that validated and backed up. Why'd she even want to move forward with this. I'm sure that young lady was living in fear. I don't have any reason not to believe her. I'm just saying these examples in our own lives, when it's not this magnified, we can rush to judgment because we already have a part of us that wants to believe something negative about somebody. Just because of where we are in our life. We don't have room to tolerate objectivity. We want people to hurt, we want people to feel sorry and pay for the wrong they've done. Because of what we're going through, I'm telling you, when you're in a place of peace and you're open and you're in your growth mindset, you just can look at things a bit more objectively and evaluate them without having this visceral it needed to happen to validate who you are. I mean, that's how they kill Jesus.
Speaker 2:They didn't want him rolling around here, being a being, something to inspire people. He was a revolutionary. No, no, no, he's tripping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's trying to flip over the tables in the temple. Who is?
Speaker 2:he, he's trying to upset the structure, feeding the people no, he's got to go and process. Pilot was a little I mean, I keep getting religious, but he was a little like man really. No, he really do, he's tripping. He even had a little bit of like okay, he washes. Yeah, you guys is tripping. This ain't really. I don't really believe all this. But hey, if this is what the people want, we got to move forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So anyway, I know we kind of dancing around a lot of different topics, but I'm just here, we're just, we're just showing you the human response right To when we elevate our superstars and then how we participate in how they yeah the place to be. Thank you, what we've created them to be, yeah.
Speaker 1:We give them privilege.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. We get. We give up privilege so easily for our superstars. I got to be in the club with them. I want to go see him. I got to pay the top dollar. We just keep just more and more and more. And I'm not saying I participate in it, we all do. There is another, there's, there is consequences for how we esteem those who put on a pedestal, because when they don't meet, when they don't, when they don't fit into what we want them to be, bro, if Obama, if any story came out about about Obama, oh my God.
Speaker 2:You start talk about it A community of hurt people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I want to know how I ended up on that, but you get my no no no, no, no, no, it's good, I think.
Speaker 1:I think I think I need to say this yeah, go ahead, because we got to be real, because we always are real on this podcast. That's what I love about when we get together, okay, so, on one hand, what we're saying and why we're why there seems to be a little bit of a dance is one we're not trying to take away anything. We're not trying to victim shame. We're not sitting here saying that what she is saying isn't true. We're not doing any of that. We're using this story, this scenario, yeah, as a springboard to talk about things that go on in our society that we're a part of and we take no accountability for. There you go, right.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:This is the example. Let's use this as the example. Let's get everybody's attention around something that everybody's looking at and then saying what can we actually learn from this? And I'm not talking about pointing the finger at powerful men. I mean, I get that, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about looking inward and saying how do you get access to this inappropriate power? I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2:So hold on, finish that, finish that. How do you get access to what?
Speaker 1:Access to power inappropriately. This inappropriate power, this power that you're saying is abused. You're saying you have an inappropriate amount of power. How did you get it Right? So here's an example. Joshua, you're on your way to a workshop. Okay, you're on your way to a workshop and I want you to be honest. Okay, I want you to be honest Okay.
Speaker 2:Are you going to help me remember what you were talking about? No, no, no, just be honest. You're on your way to a workshop. I'm on my way to a workshop.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's in downtown Seattle Okay.
Speaker 2:Are you talking about something that has happened?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just building the story.
Speaker 2:I'm putting it together. This has not happened Okay.
Speaker 1:So no, he wishes it happened, but this has not happened. You get and you know how you do. You get there early, you setting up, you got your thing right. If some random dude knocks on your window and says hey man, I need a ride, it's only 20, 30 minutes away, what you saying?
Speaker 2:Be honest, yeah, and I don't know this person. Just random dude, just random dude. You don't know Random.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying I'm just a little dirty. You know what I'm saying. Let me add a little bit to Jesus he could be coming, but you don't feel. It's not that you don't feel safe, not that, but this is someone who is in need, that needs a ride, and you may or may not make the beginning of your workshop. Are you doing it? Most likely not. You're not. I'll answer that no. Now you pull up to the corner and SUV, big black Cadillac SUV broken down for whatever reason, and Beyonce steps out your windows down. You're like B. She's like oh my God, you, can you help me? It's only 30 minutes away. I got to get to key arena. I got to get her Excuse me, climate change. I got like can you just help me get to the concert? Can you help me? It's rehearsal. I'm late for rehearsal. The Uber ain't gonna get there fast enough. Are you taking B? Jay Z ain't there either.
Speaker 2:Man. What an example.
Speaker 1:Are you taking B?
Speaker 2:Man, I'm not, I'm not only taking B bro. Hey you, can I get you lunch? Can we get lunch?
Speaker 1:Fam the whole day's cancel. He's like, as a matter of fact, I've been meaning to see Washington like I actually think it's really beautiful here. What's your name? What's your name Is Joshua? Oh, my God, josh, he's such a great smile. Josh, do you mind showing me Like? Can you show me the city? I'll compensate you for it. No, you don't need to. You wouldn't even take her money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's the privilege yeah that's the privilege.
Speaker 1:That's the privilege you will move mountains, bro. I know, I know that I met this girl who was with her man at a concert. I'm not going to mention what concert it is, I'm not going to say her name, but she's with her man at a concert and she is a she's a VIP girl in the clubs. To write ex VIP girl like bottle service type stuff.
Speaker 2:Bottle service yeah bottle service.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, bottle service, but she had been retired for three, four years, right From that life. But she's still at this time she's probably 28, 29. And the guy who worked at the club is a pretty big club is is heading the security of this concert and she gets she. So the person doing the concert sees her, one of the acts sees her and says her she knows what the VIP room is about and she knows that she's with her guy. She knows what backstage is about in this. She went backstage, yeah, left him for the whole concert, yeah, and actually didn't even didn't see the dude for another two or three days. And they've been in a relationship for a good seven, eight months and she's just like. I look back on it now. What did I do? But when we talk about these decisions and these privileges and how power is made, we're constantly making adjustments for power. So what's our part? You know what I mean. What's our part? You still think about Beyonce.
Speaker 2:No, what you're, what you're making me think about, is you. You, you're legit making me look in a mirror, and I don't even know if I want to tell this story or not.
Speaker 1:I'm, oh, oh, I'm. The popcorn is already popped. I'm here for it. Yeah, it's just me and you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just me and you. You know, I can remember from my, my, my, my sales leadership days, mm Making, we taking it off today, huh.
Speaker 1:Take it off.
Speaker 2:Elevating members of the team. That looked a certain way.
Speaker 1:Are you? Are you wait? Do you wait time out? Do you feel ashamed for that?
Speaker 2:No, I don't feel, as I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1:Can I, can I want? Can I one up you?
Speaker 2:please talk to me.
Speaker 1:OK, so first of all, josh, when I are two church boys and I've served in a couple of churches, that would certain people up on the platform to sing but their mics were off. We just want to look like they're the people that can sing or singing. But I need a certain look up there and I know you can't sing, so your mic is turned off. This is a real thing, but we needed to look a certain way. Yeah, so you know. If that's what you did, sir, you're in good company.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but what you're saying? I mean this, but this is I know I'm not alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that these moments, I mean and this is I'm taking some liberties with with the story, like just if we, you know, like how we deconstructed the will and J story, absolutely, absolutely, Point of justice. Cassie doesn't look like Cassie. Are we resolved? Is this getting resolved in 24 hours?
Speaker 1:Oh no, you got to back up If Cassie doesn't look like Cassie. Is she Diddy's girl? Is she even did his girl? Right Right, back up. Yeah, let me ask you a question. Okay, that team, that dream team that you put together, how did they perform?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we won. I mean we won. We won the top of the war several years in a row.
Speaker 1:So what does that say about the people buying into? Right, yeah, the people buying it. Say that part again the people buying it like. Obviously your approach worked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I think that says something about just what it means the condition of our humanities, like we are attracted to things that are beautiful, and especially if those things that we deem beautiful, there's a collective consensus that this beautiful thing will inspire us to work harder. And it could be your words, it could be how you walk, how you dress, how you move, how you whatever it is you. There's a pretty privilege that's associated with what is going to spur interest and wanting to listen and follow to something that not even that good for you, it might not even be in your best interest, but don't matter. It doesn't matter because if I can, if I can get the army rallied around something with, by distracting them with the beauty or the attention that is there, because of whatever it is that has our attention together and we can use it to spur results and outcomes that benefit us financially. Like I ain't saying shit to Diddy about what he's doing to Cassie, because Diddy's beauty is in his music, is in his production, his ability to find talent, his ability to earn income at a high level. Oh, and you got all these pretty people around you because they want a part of it too.
Speaker 2:Again, I'm not saying this justifies anything that has come out and it's played out. Clearly. It got his attention enough to be like oh no, we ain't talking about this, no more, and we're going to walk away from this amicably. But just allow your, allow your mind to just put yourself in that position. Many of us that believe it so much wouldn't have said shit either.
Speaker 2:Hmm, because you were benefiting from whatever the benefits were by being a part of what you was getting by keeping your mouth shut. Yeah, oh, you're doing it today. By the way, yeah, that dude that you're supposed to leave, but he does XYZ and like this and does this and plays this and has access to this. Oh, yeah, yeah, you again. I'm not judging you. Just find a way to empathize with the human condition on why we do what we do. But it's very easy to get away from it and then look at it in someone else and be ready to tear the whole street down. Rate of a thousand comments on a thousand different social media accounts, yelling and screaming about I knew it, I knew he was like that, yeah, and yet you participate in it with somebody else right now.
Speaker 1:The boss, you laughing at jokes. That ain't funny, you know them jokes. Oh, you did your fake laugh with your fake laugh. You know that joke ain't funny. What do you do? You have that fake laugh, but this is how we.
Speaker 2:This is how we build power in people inappropriately Yep, by not keeping it real Right. And we all do it. She's not that funny bro. No, she's not that funny. Not at all.
Speaker 1:Or don't, or maybe she, maybe they ain't even that attractive, but you acting like that, oh my God, that dress on you today. What are you doing, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying this stuff can't be genuine. But when you start to organize it in a way that has a manipulative outcome to your benefit again, pretty privileged. We all know the story. We see it when we wait in line for those that have gone through their club days. You see the girls that just can walk up and get in. Oh yeah, I'm on the list. First of all, they walking in because they're on the list. They've been handpicked throughout the day in the week leading up to the club so they can get with certain look, absolutely. And then we've also seen other women that they've been waiting in line right with us.
Speaker 2:I thought you guys was free before then. No, no, no, no, we fool. We got enough. Yeah, I'm just way here and we go wait for some people to leave and then we'll let you in. And how are we participating in it? Are the girls that are on the list going and saying, well, why, why not then? Why can't they get in? Why not? No, we're going to go in together.
Speaker 2:No, we, when it, when our privilege benefits us and we get something out of it, we don't say anything about it. Then we walk around and talk about how special we are oh, my people, just, they, just, they just don't get it. Like people always catering to me and and they just always tell me I look nice and you know, I got to deal with my own kids. In eight and six they're already being oh you're so pretty, yeah, you're this, you're that to the point. Charlie's annoyed I'm pretty great.
Speaker 2:Now what? Well, what Charlie doesn't know is when she, 10 years from now, 15 years from now, when she's at the height of her full glory as a young lady, she's going to access spaces because she's been privileged to do so, because our society caters to a certain type of individual consistently more than others. Now, again, everybody has their gift and we're not saying this is right or wrong, but when we look at how we build power in people and how that power can be abused, when people aren't holding each other accountable, let alone hold their self accountable, it's very easy for that pedestal to become unbearable. And that person that we have put on the pedestal Now, the consequences of that is they've been catered to inappropriately and now they use that to their benefit. They manipulate, they abuse. Oh, but you got something I want, so you're going to take it and let's be real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like in order for you to have privilege, someone has to lose facts, someone has to wait. Like that line is actually to show you that you don't have the privilege to be in here and some people have the juice.
Speaker 1:Some people have the sauce, yeah, and some people don't. I've bounced the clubs for years during college. Yeah, that line was intentional. You could have a line outside and you walk in and it's empty. No, we don't. We don't make this look a certain way. It is going and it's all by design. So my thing is, when we look at it and we start to actually take accountability, like, are there people you would just binge your boundaries for? And they don't even have to be a sexual thing. It could just be somebody you esteem, right? Yep, oh, my God, it's preneapro. Here's a free coffee, right? It's just somebody you esteem. So why do we look at what we've built we participated as a part of our culture, yeah, stuff that we're doing and then, when the story comes out, we want to point the finger as we, as if we have no part in it. Actually not. We've been training us and ours to do this since. Yeah, hi, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, since, yeah, hi yeah.
Speaker 1:So my thing about it is when I look at this, I think of a couple of things. I think one we all have a part some way, shape or form, in this craziness that happens. We're all human right, but I do think one of the things that we do need to learn is to take a step back before we look to destroy people, and I'm not talking about P, d, e, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, he's got enough money to defend this. But let's not pretend like it begins and ends there. That's not happening. We practice this all the time, on a micro level, every day. So how do we move ourself into a space where we can allow people to be human, allow facts to get out, allow for grace, allow for there's no, there's no rehabilitation. There was more, you know, loving people. Through anything anymore Like it's, like you take a side, you're either good or you're evil, and I don't know where that's come from.
Speaker 2:But it's here and it's here and it's a part of our condition, like I don't want it. I don't want this to come up like it just got here or it's getting worse, no, it. Every generation has their chance to participate in something that has been here from the beginning of time. We need people to feel very judged so we can limit what they do and where they do it and who they do it with, because there's someone that benefits from keeping people feeling like, if I do anything, I'm going to lose out on something with this particular community or my family or my job or my supervisor. So it keeps me. It keeps me acting a certain way without real force.
Speaker 2:It's just a thought. I think it's called hegemony. It's just a thought. I'm being controlled and no one's holding a gun to my head to do it. Yeah, absolutely. But I lose some social equity if I behave outside of what they on how they expect me to behave. So now I have to do this in secret. I have to do it a different way. I got to do it a number of ways because if I, if I'm risked being exposed, I may lose out on something that I desire and I want. This is super simple. We do this in a number of things, right. So the point of what we're talking about is our discussion here is is that, as we build, our celebrities are just that, that that that work, husband you have?
Speaker 2:The work husband or your best friend at work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we do this. We turn blind eyes. Yeah, we know, I mean the circus guy. We know where the stuff is buried. The streets are talking Absolutely, all the time, absolutely. And then, when we don't get what we want out of it, yep, oh, here we come. Now is the issue. Now everybody needs to know about it. I'm going to get mine because I participated in something and did not benefit me in the way that I thought it was, or didn't go the way that I wanted, from a resource, reputation, financial, whatever it is that I think I'm missing out on. So now you're going to pay Right, ever that may look like, with me blasting you on social media. What a young lady do? The porn star was Zion. Oh, what did she do? What was her name? You know her name because you watch your videos.
Speaker 1:I don't. I don't remember her name. It was her. What was the story? Again, it was her and his. So, because it was a little love it wasn't a love basketball play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. I mean a secret one.
Speaker 1:Now it's it's, it's it's fate. I know somebody got pregnant and it was like how could you and now I'm a blast you.
Speaker 2:I just remember that part, yeah, so so Mariah Mills, the one you watch, oh my God, here we go Next.
Speaker 1:You know that it's going to be I perform with next.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean man, that would be crazy. All the runs will be wild. Anyway, Zion had a, Zion had a relationship with her. He gets another girl pregnant. She chose, she wasn't chose she wanted to get pregnant she wants to go, there we go. There we go, right. So then, what? Who's pregnant? Her? What about me? You've been telling me you're going to come pick me up. We're going to meet here and go there and do this, that and the other thing. So she took to the streets, right?
Speaker 2:She went to social media because she was hurt, right. So now, now you got to pay for it, yeah, but she was participating in the environment that hurt you, right? Oh, you're a victim now, see, this is where we get to it. No, you're not a victim, it just didn't go your way. So now you feel victimized that it didn't go your way.
Speaker 1:And nobody knows how to take an L. Nobody knows how to take an L. Now we got to have a problem Now.
Speaker 2:I need to expose you, I need to tell you about you. Ain't shit, black man, chee, whatever because it didn't go your way. Right Again, we're not excusing behaviors, we're not agreeing with behaviors. I'm just saying what it is.
Speaker 1:Can I ask some to that? Can I ask some to that? When you don't learn how to take an L, you can't. You can't evolve. See, that's the thing people don't understand about this whole. If I put a certain amount of energy in the area and it doesn't work out the way I work, I want it to work out. So now I'm going to take out the person that had access to the thing that I wanted, so that I get this attention. I got this affirming I get this. Don't even worry about hurt people, unite. Well, guess what? You can't evolve because you didn't make a mistake. You can't evolve because, in your mind, you did nothing wrong. You can't change up your strategy. So now you're just going to go into the same situation. You're going to do the same thing, and then what are you going to do? You're going to use the out. It was them. Well, you're never going to get what you actually want. Yeah, if you don't take an L. Yeah, you got to take an L. You got to learn how to lose.
Speaker 2:And you have to know what you're putting yourself in, what type of situation you're putting yourself into, and know that it comes with its benefits. Yep, it might look like front row seats to the game. You don't have to pay your rent for a year, new clothes, or you might be benefiting from someone that, oh, I don't have to go out and find a job, I don't have to. You know, there's some type of resources or benefits that you're getting out of the situation, even if the situation might not necessarily be ideal. And then, when it doesn't line up in the way that you want long term, now we throw our hissy fits. Now we now. Now the world needs to know what a piece of shit you are. Yeah, that's the only thing that comes with that $10 minima, $10. It's just, it's very convenient, because it's all I'm gonna say, cuz cuz, here's what we don't realize.
Speaker 1:Cuz here's. I think this is the vicious cycle. Yeah, the privilege separates us so that people can sell some shit. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah, what are we selling? Yeah, right, what do I'm watching the Kardashians? They're selling me something. Absolutely. I'm not just talking about the skims, I'm not talking about the makeup. I'm not talking about the partnerships and brand deals. Yeah, that's all a part of it, but they're selling a lifestyle, right. And so what I think people do is they get infactuated with, like, I want the part that they're showing me. Yeah Well, they're not gonna show you everything's by design. They're not gonna show you how they really feel about this. Is that? And the third, that doesn't sell? Yeah, right, doesn't fit the brand.
Speaker 1:It doesn't fit the brand. So you? So let me get this straight you think you can go into a situation when you can just show up as you and everything in life is gonna work out. You can have all the money, you have all the access. You know, every program has some teeth to it, hmm, and I think that that's the thing that's missing when the teeth come out, or when, and some people can't just admit like hey, you're just not, like, you're not the person.
Speaker 1:Now, you could be the person if you would take the L and develop and Go back to the drawing board, maybe, but if we keep pointing fingers, you'll never be the person. Yeah, and that goes for everybody. Yeah, that's real tough. You know what I mean. I, you know again, I. There is no situation that I've been in that I didn't put myself in and guess what that comes with. Some stuff comes with his own pains and pleasure. It comes with this pains, it comes with the pleasures, it comes with this trauma, it comes with this whatever. And Everything that's happened to me as an adult is on me to do something about absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely I give that up. Yeah, just call it quits, yeah, because then that means that I'm in a world where I just react, not in a world where I can create, and I don't want to be in that world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, now, this was a. This was a dope topic. Man, and again we. Why does this matter? It's all irrelevant, but it's all relevant all at the same time. You don't get on these celebrity stories to be on some. Oh, let's try to see what Didn't you?
Speaker 2:decide yet Choose a side. No, we these are just great human examples. I like this direction. We're going to just let the conversation flow, but using it as a way to access more information about our own human condition, the way we participate in similar situations. That just doesn't get publicized. But there's not millions of social media comments about you, so you get this kind of hide in the shadows or navigate outside the public eye, but we're all a part of it. We all do this on some level, and maybe you don't. Maybe you don't. Maybe you accepted Jesus when he was 1918, whatever and you have found a way to fall in love with the fruits of the spirit.
Speaker 1:And not them. The Bible was cleared by the. We're all born and sin. Okay, it's a part of the design. As a part of the design, way from her.
Speaker 2:This hurt you're gonna hurt and you're gonna hurt people on purpose. This was the design. Don't lose sight that you can avoid how you were designed by the designer. Now, once we start judging that and we just accept who we are as humans, knowing that I'm a villain in somebody else's story, I'm a piece of shit in someone else's story Mm-hmm, I'm a great coach in someone else's story yeah, best things to slice bread. I'm the best friend, and it was horrible. He ain't no, he ain't, he ain't. He don't know how to maintain relationship. You're so many things to so many people. What we try to talk about, what we are talking about on this podcast, is how do you access more of who you are authentically and Show up as that person just a little?
Speaker 2:bit more after you, after, after each episode, how do you really feel about things and find the courage and boldness, even when you don't feel safe, to speak up, anyway, about what you don't want to tolerate. You know, if there were more authentic people and authentic relationship surrounding, did he? Maybe this story doesn't even come out? Maybe His behavior if, if what was expressed was true, maybe his behavior gets checked by his community? Yeah, earlier, then, oh, what can I get out of this if this continues? Well, he's already been out of it. Well, he's already established. Look what he's done.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't want to miss out get that man a shot.
Speaker 1:He's better under the influence.
Speaker 2:I can only imagine the trips this young lady took when she was afraid to speak up and then she was surrounded by someone to calm her down, to distract her, to confuse her, to go to gaslight her own feelings While she's trying to figure out what the fuck am I putting up with, and for her to find her voice, to talk herself into staying. Now, again, I don't know the journey of an abusive relationship to the point where you're, you're there and you don't. You know, you can't, you don't know how to leave. I don't, I don't want to belittle that and act like I've arrived with not, and I understand that mentality, but I'm telling you it's real.
Speaker 2:She told herself a story that made her stay and she believed that she was going to get out of this. She probably loved them, she. There's all all kind of things Getting in the way of her vision and what she could see until she got out of it. Yep, right again if it plays out the way that and again if the money's been paid and there has been a A amicable, amicable resolution in a joint statement between Ventura and Combs. I'm sure that was all joint.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that was all as negotiated, that was all like, and we're gonna come out as united front. Yeah, because we gotta shut this down. I wish you well, right, right, I gotta, I gotta album I just dropped, and and love is gonna get paid on this album. So don't, please. But I think this is a great mirror man, money and power. It carries some weight in a society because we decided it does, absolutely Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Oh, you live in America for a reason and you don't have to live here. You're not a victim of where you live. You can make choices to go exactly where you want to go. So while you're here, you're participating in what we create as a collective. You might say I don't get into that. No, how convenient, how convenient. So, anyway, I, we, we could, we could go on and on about, about this, this topic, but I think I'm so glad we have these moments to just reflect to us. There's nothing you can do to prove to me that you're not human. You know human. Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, what's coming up for you, my brother, before we depart I mean you know again.
Speaker 1:I just think that, um, what you said, taking the time to Look deeper into these situations, outside of Taking sides and being angry, and and asking ourselves, what does it say about us? You know, I look at, I look at. You know, you could scroll through your social media right now. You could see somebody Lifting somebody up or saying something positive and that might have, you know, five or six comments and 12 likes. But you know the, the, the middle school fight has, you know, 1500 comments and a million views, you know. Or the girl who expresses a thought about, you know, life and how she feels and then realizes that she'll get 15 times the attention if she does that in a bathing suit. Face backwards.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm saying like we, we got to understand that as we're navigating this, that we're all a part of it and the analytics say it. So are we. So are we gonna deconstruct it? Are we gonna do something different? Are we gonna live our lives in private and then point fingers in public? I mean, I don't know. I'm just trying to be more authentic with my guy over here. That's all I'm trying to do. Yeah, man, take it off, brother, lord knows, yeah, anyway man, we've been all here long enough.
Speaker 1:Community, you know what you can do. Share, you know Definitely, share, share, share. We love your feedback. Follow us on our social media and you know, we just we get really encouraged when we know. We know we're doing something right and we love doing we. I feel like we do this all the time anyway, we have podcasts every day. We talk every day. Yeah, we literally have a podcast every day. Yeah, you guys just get the benefit of hearing one of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just. This is just the design, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is one design.
Speaker 2:You'd have to start paying us if you wanted to hear the we're on our cadastrian.
Speaker 1:Podcast podcast dark. Well, yeah, yeah, black, we're the black Kardashians. All right, brother, what's the pleasure man? Hey man, I don't like no whips and chasing, you can't tie me down, but you can whip your loving on me, baby, whip your loving on me.
Speaker 2:Anyway, thank you for joining us here at the take it off podcast. I think I've, I think we're down to uh, I don't know, I might have some speedos on at this point. We've been taking somebody's podcast. I don't know, I might have some speedos on at this point. We've been taking so many layers of clothing off. Man, I'm ready to kind of get it get started, I feel. Though, anyway, I bid you adieu and Jeremy Rueb. I love you my brother, I love you and we keep going until okay, absolutely.
